tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post6723242303917205397..comments2023-10-04T16:22:32.920+01:00Comments on Thanet Strife: THE BLACK SPOT OR JUST LEAFLETS?Bertie Biggleshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14197385124719226254noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-77964348271625662022008-06-14T13:10:00.000+01:002008-06-14T13:10:00.000+01:00DavidGrateful for your comments, however i cannot ...David<BR/><BR/>Grateful for your comments, however i cannot see how anyone at the TDC decision making level can make an unbiased decision.<BR/><BR/>1. The local Labour group took a substantial donation off one of the developer's.<BR/><BR/>2. The two day event (the Big Event) for Margate and run by TDC is being part paid for by same.<BR/><BR/>Sorry but i rather think that someone else should make this decision but they will not - and you and i know that this will be approved, and that the statutory consultees are screwing things up regarding some serious issues surrounding this site.<BR/><BR/>MalcolmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-72180002872244326062008-06-14T11:11:00.000+01:002008-06-14T11:11:00.000+01:00I just wanted to put in a word on behalf of Thanet...I just wanted to put in a word on behalf of Thanet Councillors.<BR/>You may wonder why you are not finding any of them involving themselves in this discusion (at least not openly).<BR/>It is because we may be asked to decide on this application, which will almost certainly end up before the full Thanet Council. If we show that we have made up our minds about the application before seeing and hearing all the evidence, then we exclude ourself from the decision.<BR/>I can assure though, that some of us, at least, are listening.<BR/>Thank you for promoting a debate.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07552625950299268077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-40085543949071191902008-06-13T22:22:00.000+01:002008-06-13T22:22:00.000+01:0021.10 be a nice chap, now, and please stop shoutin...21.10 be a nice chap, now, and please stop shouting and hurling abuse! <BR/>You will be aware that I am rather new to this blogging business and in 150 odd posts since February I have hardly had to send any comments to the ether. <BR/><BR/>Swearing, shouting, undue rudeness and salacious or libellous comments will cause me to intervene as I will, with spam comments or lengthy off-topic comments. I always apologise to posters if I have to do this and if that is control freakery in your eyes, then I am sorry that you see it as that. I am off to late-night watering hole now and could I suggest you do the same. Staring at the world over the rim of a pint glass may not solve the world's problems but it helps put them in perspective.Bertie Biggleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197385124719226254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-76108220439105931772008-06-13T21:10:00.000+01:002008-06-13T21:10:00.000+01:00Yes Bertie, delete comments you don't agree with a...Yes Bertie, delete comments you don't agree with and pretend that it is because you want to deny someone THE RIGHT TO USE UPPER CASE LETTERS... Bertie is in danger of becoming a control freakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-72323939121200878122008-06-13T20:47:00.000+01:002008-06-13T20:47:00.000+01:00TL of 23.37, please be a pleasant chap when visiti...TL of 23.37, please be a pleasant chap when visiting and try to resort from shouting (using caps)or I will be minded to send your comments into the ether.<BR/><BR/>If you are also, 19.07 thanks for the lack of 'caps' but it is a bit rude to compare me with Robert Mugabe! <BR/>If you really think that China gateway is a capitalist philanthropic gesture to create jobs in Thanet on an industrial estate on prime agricultural land and on top of our drinking water, then you are entitled to that view. Go and visit CGPs website and find out their view. I quote loosely, "Our aim is to maximise the return for shareholders (mainly , the directors) by developing and EXPLOITING our land holdings..... etc etc...<BR/>No mention of jobs. Go and sit down 'Woger' for tea? You must be joking. Have you read of his latest antics?Bertie Biggleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197385124719226254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-53253168686697183932008-06-13T20:13:00.000+01:002008-06-13T20:13:00.000+01:00Right'o behind the bike shed it is then!!I am not ...Right'o behind the bike shed it is then!!<BR/><BR/>I am not anti everything and neither do i covet Mugabe, a remark that is inflammatory and offensive to say the least - especially when some of us served this country at the sharp end and some of our youngsters are doing the same as we speak.<BR/><BR/>Its called democracy although you could argue it does not exist in Thanet.<BR/><BR/>So friend of TDC or Roger deal with the facts when presented with them. Here is a taster, the EA rate Thanets underground aquifers water as poor and it gets worse as i dig into this whole story sad state of affairs, as frankly we have a weak local plan and no LDF on this issue to direct anyone.<BR/><BR/>Friends of TDC or Roger bait a such as you want, but i am sure you will not get the response you are trying to elicit?<BR/><BR/>Play nicely now?<BR/><BR/>MalcolmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-87986358361145491282008-06-13T19:07:00.000+01:002008-06-13T19:07:00.000+01:00Thank God that the small minded Self Righteous Ant...Thank God that the small minded Self Righteous Anti-progress loons are not making the important decisions about the Isles's future.<BR/><BR/>Bertie tells us that they were invited to talks by senior council leaders. Are they going to the talks?<BR/><BR/>Before I retired I was a Trade Union leader, so I have a lot of experience in this kind of thing. <BR/><BR/>Of course we all need to question projects like the Gateway etc, but these anti people are so stuck in their negative mind set against any project aimed at helping Thanet they are not attacking everything and anything.<BR/><BR/>There people would be at home with Robert Mugabe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-8628474499621846722008-06-13T15:56:00.000+01:002008-06-13T15:56:00.000+01:00Glad to say I agree about the Big Event. A wicked ...Glad to say I agree about the Big Event. A wicked waste of natural resources at a time when it's costing more and more to fill our petrol tank for essential trips not pointless ones. we are using Shank's Pony where appropriate or the bus if convenient.<BR/><BR/>We are sunk? I've already got the ark under construction.<BR/><BR/>I fear both these grandiose schemes will just keep the low wage economy ticking over with a regular supply of those without real skills or students happy to do something boring in the holidays.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-64739957765241030042008-06-13T15:25:00.000+01:002008-06-13T15:25:00.000+01:00As for the spam regarding Margate's Big Fat Waste ...As for the spam regarding Margate's Big Fat Waste of Money and Precious Resources. This kind of event is absolutley appropriate for the Britain of 1970 in which TPTB seem determined to make sure Thanet remains.<BR/>It fits perfectly with Thanet Earthless and China Late Way. These are all things we should have left behind by now. A display of military and macho bravado using more fuel than the rest of us put together for the whole year, vegetables grown in a heartless, profitable and destructive way and a mega complex of industrial vagueness producing God only knows what, for whom.<BR/>We are sunk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-2786703937065161952008-06-13T15:11:00.000+01:002008-06-13T15:11:00.000+01:00Dear Net Shouter or is that Capitalist?I am shortl...Dear Net Shouter or is that Capitalist?<BR/><BR/>I am shortly going to put a complete and numbered series of facts about the significant water problems in and around this area.<BR/><BR/>All of which supports Berties and Michael's views...if you have anything constructive to say about them please play nicely.<BR/><BR/>MalcolmAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-19548062354610136992008-06-13T15:06:00.000+01:002008-06-13T15:06:00.000+01:00floating apartments and ten pound concrete missile...floating apartments and ten pound concrete missiles?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-36669622922530352612008-06-13T14:18:00.000+01:002008-06-13T14:18:00.000+01:00What are they going to produce there?What are they going to produce there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-78023965665374979872008-06-13T10:23:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:23:00.000+01:0017.00 the environment agency failed to read or mis...17.00 the environment agency failed to read or misunderstood the report on the surface water drainage trenches carried out by Micro Drainage for 2 year Return Period that concludes the; Outflow is too low and the design is unsatisfactory.<BR/><BR/>So I am afraid a somewhat ironic situation has occurred where I appear to be advising them at the moment.<BR/><BR/>Indecently it’s quite ok to call me Michael I am after all a shop assistant.<BR/><BR/>You may wish to consider that the same firm of architects that designed the drainage ditches are continuing with the Pleasurama development, despite the environment agency’s strong recommendation for a flood risk assessment first.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-32740602995576691822008-06-13T10:09:00.000+01:002008-06-13T10:09:00.000+01:00Oh dear. People with no knowledge of netiquette ar...Oh dear. People with no knowledge of netiquette are SUCH a bore aren't they?<BR/><BR/>We need a wildlife park and forest at Manston. Like Lea Valley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-52463117052754932572008-06-12T23:37:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:37:00.000+01:00IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF YOUR YOUR FEARS ABOUT THE ...IT APPEARS THAT MOST OF YOUR YOUR FEARS ABOUT THE CHINA GATEWAY ARE IN YOUR HEAD BERTIE. AND DON'T TELL ME THAT I CAN'T USE CAPS,IT SEEMS THAT YOU WOULD BE THE WORST KIND OF CONTROL FREAK IF GIVEN ANY POWER BERTIE. <BR/><BR/>Robert Mugabe started off like you.<BR/><BR/>TLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-32866455463284873352008-06-12T23:10:00.000+01:002008-06-12T23:10:00.000+01:00hilda murell, who is she?hilda murell, who is she?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-45352039139153906032008-06-12T19:35:00.000+01:002008-06-12T19:35:00.000+01:00Correct Michael(1) I reported an incident in the 9...Correct Michael<BR/><BR/>(1) I reported an incident in the 90s in the Guildford Lawn area of Ramsgate. An industry locally had been flushing chemicals into the sewage system.<BR/><BR/>(2) I understand that the chalk layers at Poorhole Lane allegedly shew/show an historical problem of chemical pollution. But I am not aware of any investigation into the chemicals or whether they would be the same as used, for example, by Sericol. <BR/><BR/>(3) There is plenty on web about Thor Chemicals worldwide record. <BR/><BR/>(4) I am not aware that any epidemiological study has occurred following anecdotal suggestions by professionals of a disproportionate number of early strokes and young person deaths from aneurism within one mile of Westwood. <BR/><BR/>(5) As I understand it TDC searched the wrong Lifeboat records and, hence, found no record of the rescue circa 1912 of men from a stricken vessel. These men were allegedly taken to Haine Isolation Hospital where they died of anthrax allegedly. It was suggested, when Westwood Cross was being planned, that the Haine burial of anthrax deaths was the reason for the burning to destruction methods used in demolishing parts of the former isolation hospital. <BR/><BR/>(6) There again was Hilda Murrell going to raise a question (at the Sizewell Inquiry) into the Three Mile Island incident. Had an algae mutation occurred in what science assured must be crystal clear cooling water ? Was this mutated water flushed into the world's environment ? And did Hilda Murrell's nephew some years later ask a Professor of Chemistry to check on NHS (Middlesex Hospital) linear accelerator cooling systems after a similar "Impossible" algae mutation had occurred in the sealed systems ? <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Power to the elbow of anyone raising questions. How simple it would be if those in authority/responsibility have the answers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-53623723593552695552008-06-12T19:16:00.000+01:002008-06-12T19:16:00.000+01:00The decoy theory has been mentioned elsewhere on t...The decoy theory has been mentioned elsewhere on this thread, but now we know its true, TDC has accepted untold wealth from Mr Brown to turn Manston into a nuclear waste site. Just don't mention all the jobs that will bring. think about it, it would be really useful to have a three armed checkout assistant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-54669861014329099522008-06-12T17:00:00.000+01:002008-06-12T17:00:00.000+01:00Mr Child, You seem to have lost the argument if yo...Mr Child, <BR/><BR/>You seem to have lost the argument if you have to resort to scare stories.<BR/><BR/>The environment agency are the experts and will advise the councilAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-68512179956341207752008-06-12T15:06:00.000+01:002008-06-12T15:06:00.000+01:00Before I worked as a shop assistant I worked in en...Before I worked as a shop assistant I worked in engineering and science so I know which chemicals are used commonly in manufacturing on industrial estates, in ordinary manufacturing processes. <BR/><BR/>I can also assure you that lazy apprentices have been known to dispose of them illegally behind the warehouse rather than going through the tedious process of filling in the proper hazardous waste disposal forms.<BR/><BR/>Lorry drivers have been known to flush out contaminated tankers in lorry parks and some of them possibly would not know that the drains would go directly into soakaways not sewers.<BR/><BR/>So a question for all of you who are considering putting an industrial estate on our underground drinking water reservoir.<BR/><BR/>If strychnine, cyanide or arsenic got into our water supply, how many people do you estimate would be killed or injured, say to the nearest thousand?<BR/><BR/>This issue is not one that should be resolved by amateurs over a cup of tea, the council should hire proper qualified scientists who are experts in land drainage and water supplies, to examine this proposition on behalf of the people of Thanet.Michael Childhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499435016469020417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-29636923940430480362008-06-12T08:42:00.000+01:002008-06-12T08:42:00.000+01:00I'm an anti-Gateway person and am 1) not lazy, far...I'm an anti-Gateway person and am 1) not lazy, far from it<BR/>2) not out of work<BR/>3) not a trouble-maker<BR/>4) not anti-Thanet. I have lived here for 37 years and have seen how the area has improved over the last 10 years. When I first came here for work, the area was controlled by the then town councils whose attitude to any potential inward invester was, 'No thank you. We don't want development here. This is a nice seaside, holiday place and it suits us small businessmen to keep wages low due to the lack of other work.'<BR/><BR/>There's no way I'm anti-investment, job-creating schemes but this one is in the wrong place. There are plenty of other sites where Mr. Wills and his crew can build a business park of their own, creating job with some prospects. Don't get fooled that these will be long-term jobs. Any major downturn either here, in China or generally world-wide will see these jobs go in an instant. You only have to look at industrial sites elsewhere to realise that's what happens in an economic slump.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-42163061661310566172008-06-12T01:16:00.000+01:002008-06-12T01:16:00.000+01:00have just returned from a local watering hole to d...have just returned from a local watering hole to discover things are hotting up. Where should I start?<BR/>1. 16.40.: use of 'caps' is the blog equivalent to shouting and is not necessary here! Be reassured that I have no political aspirations. I am a Conservative Party member who is horrified at what I am seeing going on in Thanet and I have been urging for quite some time that some excellent Conservative Councillors need to clean up their administration of TDC by getting rid of Mr Ezekiel who, as Leader of TDC, has not only brought Thanet Conservatives into disrepute but who has denigrated the office he holds.<BR/><BR/>2. 19.08. Thanks for support to the cause, Ian, and I hope your objection is in and that you have talked to your local Councillor. I am just helping the protest group and if they are not prepared to sit down to talk with the Deputy Leader then I can hardly do so at this stage.<BR/><BR/>3. 21.01: Paul Wells , as far as I am aware, has been offering support to 'Stop China Gateway' and attended the site visit last Friday. He and his band of Tree-huggers (see www. treesforthanet.blogspot.com) have spent the past 12 years planting hedgerows and trees around the area affected by China Gateway to try and inmprove a little part of Thanet and it should come as no surprise that he is involving himself as a private individual in this campaign.<BR/><BR/>4. 21.09 : Gerry, I was most impressed by Simon's 'Your Thanet Blogger' article. His letter on page 17 however, misses the salient fact that CGPs application contains unsatisfactory proposals that will have to be revised and that a CGP Director is on record as saying that CGPs proposals are cheaper and sustainable when, clearly they are not. This application should be turned away until the developer is able to satisfy TDC that Thanet's aquifer can be protected during 4 years of construction and that drainage off almost 500,000 m/sq of development does not pour contaminants into SPZ1 which it would have done at 0200 on Wed 28 May had it been built. Have you failed to grasp the lesson that Thanet Earth taught us that night?<BR/><BR/>5.21.35; What makes you think that being Anti Gateway means one is Anti-Thanet? If you really believe that CGP has Thanet's interests at heart in this proposed devlopment, you are either misguided or in their pocket like some others seem to be.<BR/><BR/>6.22.07: I assume you are being sarcastic in your comment!<BR/><BR/>Wow! I have tried my best to reply to posts and can only think that such a stream of comments attacking the Stop China Gateway position, that has suddenly appeared, must be due to the fact that interested parties at CGP and TDC are seriously alarmed that a democratic protest movement is growing in Thanet and getting more organised by the day. <BR/><BR/>What makes me say this? <BR/><BR/>Could it be because 'Strife' has been highlighting concerns since<BR/>28th April(i.e for the past 6 weeks) without attracting such vitriol?Bertie Biggleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14197385124719226254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-47560902474584043432008-06-11T23:39:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:39:00.000+01:00Perhaps 'Friend of Roger' could kindly explain to ...Perhaps 'Friend of Roger' could kindly explain to us all why the saintly 'Roger' is seen grinning like a clown sitting in a helicopter having accepted the very gracious sponsorship of 'Roger's' lot's air show event; when the fellow occupant and sponsor is also a planning applicant for what is a most controversial development.<BR/><BR/>Surely someone of 'Roger's' such political awareness should know that to lie down with the lion, especially in view of the press, is some what unbecoming.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps his loyal 'friend' could advise him in future, not to make such a total prat of himself, and make the whole planning issue look like a done deal!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-52763629484455132552008-06-11T23:32:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:32:00.000+01:00I see from certain comments that this is now getti...I see from certain comments that this is now getting personal. It is usually the plight of the scared bully to start the name calling and nastiness!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-273124520330547347.post-1958326566832664422008-06-11T23:31:00.000+01:002008-06-11T23:31:00.000+01:00All these people who are declaring that this proje...All these people who are declaring that this project is going to provide many jobs for Thanet, may I point out,<BR/><BR/>Most of Margate High Street retail premises, closed!<BR/><BR/>Retail premises into Ramsgate, closed!<BR/><BR/>Retail park at Westwood, used to be Homebase, Currys, Carpetland, Closed!<BR/><BR/>If we need new premises for new job creation, why develop new land areas when there are large commercial areas available already?<BR/><BR/>Far to simple an answer for the elected fools who are supposed to govern the area FOR us, not dictate to us as is the current regime!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com